SI/CZ/119/2003 “Rapes, Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert”   Tape A

This interview was both audio and video-taped in the custody suite, I do not know if anyone was remote viewing.

DS Hooks and DC Davies and Yolande Lindridge

DS       “I am Detective Sergeant Graham Hooks...”

YL       “Sorry can I just go through this piece of paper, I just want to be certain that I know what we are doing….”

DS       “Well, No, could we do that at the end please, we’ll go through that with you at the end, its irrelevant about what I want to speak to you about, its just regarding how you get a copy of the tape, we’ll go through that with you at the end…”

YL       “But it talks about not being charged with an offence, prosecuted or cautioned?”

DS       “Right I have just got to explain, give me that back to me (he takes the form away from YL) thank you – I’ll do that at the end – right I am Detective Sergeant Graham Hooks, I am from Maidstone Police Station, I work in a department called CID.  Part of my job is to interview people … at the end of the day to get information from you in relation to a crime report which you asked to be reported to the police.  Do you understand that?  As I said to you before on the tape, you are not under arrest, you can leave this police station at any time you wish, the only reason this interview is being conducted in the custody area so that we can tape record what you are saying to us, do you understand?”

YL       “I am just concerned about what is on that piece of paper..”

DS       “I’ll leave that piece of paper to the end, that piece of paper explains to you how you can get a copy of these tapes, you can reach for future reference, there is nothing to do, and I would like to conduct the interview first and talk about the administration after the interview’s been completed, do you understand that?

YL

DS       “Are you with me?”

DC       “I am Detective Constable Davies

YL       “ Can I write down your names?”

DS            “Hooks”

DC            “Davies”

DS       “Could I have your name please?”

YL            “Yolande Lindridge”

DS       “And your date of birth please, Yolande?”

YL            “5.2.52”

DS       “Thank you.  Before putting these (video) tapes in the machine my colleague will seal both of the tapes , one is a red one and one is a white one.  The reason why they are both different colours is that one is called a Master Tape, which is the red one. At the end of this interview, this tape will be sealed , with a seal all the way round the tape, and will be put away in a safe place in the police station and can only be opened in exceptional circumstances, for example, in the presence of a solicitor, we can’t open them.  The other one, the white copy, this seal will be placed round but that will not be sealed, we can listen to that tape so that we can make a written record of the interview, do you understand?  That notice I have taken off of you, you can get back at the end of the interview and it will explain what happens to the tapes.  Right I have got a crime report here and the crime reference number is SI/CZ/119/03;  its listed here as a crime…um …details have been faxed over from Bexley (DC Hallett of Bexleyheath Police Station 10.1.2003) in the Metropolitan Police area      now basically what it says .. er..  You were you married to Nigel Peck for 2 years….  as a result of crime you went to Maidstone Court in 1980 first of all to obtain an Injunction, but all you got was a non-molestation order, the doctor would not prepare a medical report, shortly after the Court Hearing, he told you, he started stalking courting couples, he was like a peeping Tom watching them, he had a shot-gun with him, he had beaten and raped a woman, he said he would shoot and rape yourself if he told anyone.  Now what can you tell us about that allegation?”

YL       “Well there were 2 Injunctions, actually that succeeded at that time in 1980 and there is medical evidence in 1982 to say that he breached both of those injunctions. “

DS       “So there are 2 Injunctions against your ex-husband, yes?”

YL       “Yes?”

DS       “   ….. your ex-husband, right?  Yep”

YL       “Earlier that year we had separated, but we were living in the same house, and it was while we were separated that he attacked me, and raped me.”

DS       “Now that is not what you just said to the police in Bexley (Bexleyheath

2 months earlier)?”

YL       “I was told to report both rapes to the police in Bexleyheath and it was DC Hallett”

DS       “Yes”

YL       “and I went to Bexleyheath Police Station on 10^th January and I spoke to him and he rang through to Kent Police and he told me that the only 2 crimes that I could report in the Police Station were 2 rapes and that I could not report the perjury or the conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.”

DS       “Right.   So that we don’t get too confused in this, right,  you are saying that you have been raped?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “By your ex-partner?”

YL            “Husband”

DS            “Husband.  And he also allegedly raped another lady after beating her up?

            My impression of this crime report ….  this crime report does not mention about you being raped  -  I’ll deal with this first…..what can you tell me about what he said about being like a Peeping Tom, with a shot-gun and he beat and raped a woman, what can you tell me about that?”

YL       “Well, I think I need to go back to raping me first to get back to where that is because of the 2 rapes I was told I was allowed by the constable to report, I need to explain how he got from the May when I was attacked, and had GBH injuries…….”

DS       “That was 1980?”

YL       “Yuh, to the August”

DS       “Ok, May 1980, what can you tell me about that?

YL       “I had been seeing my solicitor, Whitehead Monckton, Lawrence Brooks, since September 1979 because I wanted protection for myself and what he told me that I had to do, because most of the injuries I was getting were head injuries, was to keep a diary, and it wasn’t only me he was being violent too, I had a dog and he had a dog too, and I was told to keep a diary so that we could go to court, in the end, by that time we were separated in the February, I was in the matrimonial bedroom, in the matrimonial bedroom and in the matrimonial bed and he was in another room, and I had gone to bed that night, I was lying towards the window, shall I draw a picture?”

DS       “Yes”, do it on another page because I am probably going to have to take that page

YL       “This is like my house, upstairs, front bedroom, window, this is a chest of drawers, that’s the window, the bedroom and the door, and the bed is here.

            There is like a radiator here, there under the window, this is quite close and I was lying here, facing the window, on a wooden pine bed that he had made – it had got slats underneath it, and he came in, tipped it up and threw me into this confined space, and I sustained injuries – my medical records show that I hurt my ribs and my back, and whilst I had lost consciousness, which my medical records show, and whilst I was down there that’s when I was trapped down there, he did what I call homosexual rape, he saw my GP the next day”

DS            “Homosexual rape, can you expand on that?”

YL            “Through the back passage”   My medical records show that I had concussion – my medical records show that my injuries lasted over a year, I think that is GBH isn’t it?  I have these injuries in my medical records”

DS       “You say medical records, did you go to a Hospital or a GP?”  

YL       “GP, Dr Eric Brown”

DS       “And what practice was he from?”

YL       “King Street”

DS       “King Street in Maidstone?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “That was in 1980? Did you report that to the police at the time?”

YL       “No”

DS       “Any reason why not?”

YL       (crying)  “He told me that if I told anyone about what he was like, and what he did, he would always have made sure that no one would ever believe me, and that was what he always said, but when he was violent it was to control me / to control my behaviour or because he was frustrated.  He had the ability that I never knew when the violence would start, or what would set it off, it would just happen, he would hit me from behind – he hit my head into the door frame.  Somebody could come to the door, the front door and he could change, he could just laugh and joke at the front door with somebody and then shut the door and then 30 seconds later he would start again, you know”

DS       “And you say about the violence, was there any warning about the violence/ hurting you?”  

YL       “No, there was never any warning”

DS       “How many times did he beat you or hurt you?

YL       (crying) “A lot, right from when we got married”

DS       “When were you married?”

YL       “15 July 1978;  he told me that he married me for my money, and my bridesmaid last year reminded me that he married me for money.  An on our honeymoon I was so badly injured that I could not walk, we were in Tenerife, I couldn’t walk”

DS       “Were any of these incidents reported to the police?”

YL       “No, I was ashamed”

DS       “Did you see a doctor to receive treatment for your injuries?”

YL       “The first time I went to the doctor was in Tenerife.  But the first time -   I felt ashamed, I - it was after the rape..”

DS       “So until then when he was beating you, you had not been to the doctor with any injuries?”

YL       “No”

DS       “Did you speak to anybody about your injuries?”

YL       “I went to see my solicitor, I went to see him when I had been married 14 months but that was embarrassing because my solicitor had been someone I had previously been involved with, a previous boyfriend of mine back in Hastings, he was a Partner at Whitehead Monckton, and I had been raped before – and that was after I had met Laurie.      You know - I suppose you understand about rape?  It makes you feel worthless.  (Crying) and it took me such a long time to get over the first one, and you feel like you are the nuisance because so much went wrong after the first rape.  I got raped when I was 21.  There is a record of the rape down at Portsmouth Police Station.  I had such low self-esteem because of it and I tried so hard to put my life right after that – and no matter how hard I tried I just couldn’t seem to put it right, and I felt such a nuisance, and, when my mother was dying – this was in 1977, I was raped first in 1973, April 1973, and then my mother was dying, and I was working as a Lecturer at that time, and I went home to Hastings to nurse my mother, and I took her home to die, in her last few weeks of her life I met my husband-to-be”

DS       “We’ll stay with this first one, Yolande, and then we will go back to that in a second.  You say you went to see your solicitor, but you did not go to see your doctor when he was assaulting you, but you went to see a solicitor who was your ex-boyfriend;  did he see any injuries?  Did he see injuries?” 

YL       “No”  

DS       “Did anyone see your injuries – social worker, doctor…”

YL       “A doctor saw my injuries, yes”

DS       “Which doctor?”

YL       “Dr Eric Brown”.  Its on my medical records, but until the May”

DS       “You said you were assaulted shortly after your marriage, since 1978, so from 1978 to 1980 he was beating you periodically.  Did anyone see your injuries from 1978 to 1980?”

YL       “Um, I don’t know”

DC       “Did you tell any friends or anyone in your family, or anything like that?”

YL       “Well, I actually sent out like questionnaires before Christmas to see what people remembered because there were certainly knew things at the time, but most of them have forgotten – but there are people that remember”

DC       “Did you ever directly tell anybody like a close friend or anything like that  - even including the rape?”

YL       “I don’t know, I can’t remember.  When I saw Kyla Warrell (DC Michaela Warrell of Maidstone CID) 2 years ago, and you will have a record of this, and  I think you need to understand this, when I saw Kyla Warrell 2 years ago what had just happened to me triggered the trauma, right?  It triggered the trauma from before, and if you speak to Kyla she will have a record of this, I was talking about a ‘memory blockage’ – a ‘memory blockage’ that was too painful for me to deal with – and she will confirm that - and that ‘memory blockage’ took 22 months for me to safely release it all, and I finally released the whole lot in December and that was the last, last bit. Because, although I was only married - I lived with him for just over 2 years.  Whatever happened to me in that time, medically certified but medical records will show – that when this trauma arose 2 years ago the pain with it that had been buried took 22 months for it all to come out and for me to cope with, and to release it and let it go – and that is a medical fact.  You know?  You cannot deny that whatever happened to me at the hands of that person was so horrific as to the trauma to take 22 months.  Now I don’t know, you wouldn’t know, a trauma expert would know the scale of trauma that would take 22 months”

DS       “You should have got medical evidence for this;  you should have got psychiatrically examined to say that this is like a ‘blockage’.  You said you have medical evidence to prove this, what medical evidence is that?”

YL       “It was a social worker came with me, Pat, Patricia Shanahan, and we went to the Bearsted Medical Practice, it was on 13^th March 2001”

DS       “Mrs Shanahan?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “The Bearsted ..”

YL            “Medical Practice, I was seen by Dr Godsmark, and we spent an hour with him”

DS       “Dr Gods?”

YL       “Dr Godsmark”

DS       “What was the conclusion of his examination?”

YL       “I was traumatised;  I was traumatised in a way that wasn’t normal in relation to what had happened to me and that is because what had happened with me in Bermuda, although I controlled the situation, it had brought back the 2 worst times of my life – the first rape in 1973 and what had happened in 1980.  Now the 1973 rape came back immediately, if you see my medical records from Dr Godsmark and speak to Pat Shanahan, they will tell you that that first rape came back as if it were yesterday – right?  That was the first time in like 28 years or whatever it was, that it had come back as if it were yesterday;  it had never come back in that intervening time.  And I thought, now why has this come back?  Because I know a lot about trauma / stress, I teach stress, I teach trauma and I thought that there must be something that we did not fix at that time.  And then I learned, and what I learned, and this is relevant, what I learned was that I did not share what had happened to me when I was first raped;             I went back to my flat that I was sharing with 4 girls.  I was sharing a room with one girl, Angie, and I rang her 2 years ago and I said “Angie, did I ever tell you what happened to me, back in 1973 when I ended up in hospital?”  “No”, she said “you wouldn’t tell any of us, you wouldn’t tell anybody what happened to you.  We just knew that you were normal one minute, and very unhappy and you had overdosed the next day, and why never knew why you overdosed and why you became so unhappy.”

DS       “Who is Angie?”

YL       “Angie Frost. She was Angie Doel when she was my flat-mate in 1973.”

DS       “Angie Doel?”

YL       “D – O - E – L”

DS       “Where does she live?”

YL       “She lives in the West Country, near Swindon.  She is an IT Consultant”

DS       “Can I have her phone number also?”

YL       “Yes, you can have her phone number”.   It was fate, you know once I realised that I had not told anybody – and I thought about, I thought well I didn’t, I was very ashamed of being raped when I was 21 – and I blamed myself because- because I thought how stupid I was to accept a lift from somebody that I should not have accepted a lift from.  I felt so ashamed, I had been in a car crash and I had no car and I went to see a garage owner I knew and there was a man that came in to visit him that was a friend….”

DS       “Is this another incident?”

YL       “No, this is the first rape”

DS       “No, we’re straying off, lets go back to the rape in May, just for the minute, I want to go back to the first one”

YL       “I think you need to understand the first one, to understand …”

DS       “Yes, Yolande, but I started this with questioning you about when you were  raped by your partner, you will have an opportunity to go back and tell me about the first one, I wanted to go back to finish this one so we don’t get too confused.  Right, he’s pushed you off the bed against the wall into a confined space, and that’s when you say he homosexually raped you, in the back passage.  Right, you said you went to see a doctor, did you tell the doctor what had happened?” 

YL       “Sorry, I did mean to tell you something….”

DS       “We can’t keep.. ”

YL       “You need to understand  …”

DS       “Yes, but we can’t keep thrashing around, I’m getting totally confused, I want to deal with one thing first, you will have the opportunity to tell me anything you want about the first one.  When you went to see the doctor did you tell him that you had been raped?”

YL       “No”

DS       “Why did you go to the doctor?”

YL            “Because of my injuries”

DS       “Right, so he examined you.”

YL       “Yes, I had concussion and the rest of my injuries.”

DS            “Yolanda, what I am trying to get through to you is, this a very serious allegation that you are making, saying that someone has raped you whether it is homosexually or otherwise, all I am trying to do is to see if there is any evidence to support this, so, can you remember if the doctor examined you?”

YL            (Crying)  “He examined me for the first rape.  I never ever told anyone ever all the details of my first rape, except my husband.  That’s what I did.  I had to find the words  I had to tell him what had happened to me, we were getting married.  He was living in Romney Marsh and I was living in Sidcup, I was working as a Lecturer in Industrial Management.  And, what I wanted to do, prior to getting married, I wanted to be totally honest about my past, and because of the first rape I still had low self-esteem, I had problems valuing myself and feeling that I had any value, and I wanted to wipe the slate clean, so that my husband-to-be would know what sort of person he was marrying ie I had been raped, so I wrote to him, and I wrote to him.  And he is the only person I ever told this.  I wrote to him prior to getting married and I told him  everything about that first rape, about all my emotions, my feelings, how I felt when it was happening, when I thought I was going to die, and I thought that I was going to  ???      , I told him everything, the emotions when it happened”

DS       “We’ll have a break, just calm down for a second, just relax for a minute, Yolanda, just compose yourself;  relax a little bit, I am just trying to get to the bottom of this and get some evidence. You keep going back and forward, we haven’t finished with the rape in May, and what I want to know, the first rape which we will call Rape No 1 happened in April 1973. Is that correct?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “ I don’t want you to think about that rape, we’ll come back to it in a second. The second rape which you are talking about was May 1980, I still haven’t finished that one. 

YL       “OK”

DS       “Right, did the doctor examine you?  Did you confide in the doctor?  Right when was the first time that you had mentioned that you had been raped on that day to anyone?”   

YL       “I don’t know”

DS       “Right so there is no-one as far as you know that you confided to or can give us any evidence that will assist the police investigation from your rape in 1980.”

YL       “No, I have got a witness statement from somebody who remembered how terrified I was of him.”

DS       “Was that because of the physical violence or was it because of the rape?”

YL       “When we were together and when he stalked me after”

DS            “Regarding the rape?”

YL       “I don’t know, I have been trying to find my brother, my brother might know”

DS       “Did you tell your brother?”

YL       “I can’t remember.”

DS       “Now you said that you were told to keep a diary for all the things that happened to you.  Have you still got that diary?”

YL       “I looked for it, but what happened was after he stalked me for 2 years, I was referred for treatment for Chronic Anxiety.  And the doctor I saw, encouraged me to draw a line under the past, and bury it, and get rid of everything.  So although I have kept everything else, like other things, I got rid of letters and most things, apart from certain practical things, but everything else in my life, even before that, I have still got, everything, I always keep everything.  I did what the doctor told me in 1982, and I drew a line under it, and moved forward with my life.”

DS       “So, when was the first time you reported this rape in 1980, when did you first speak about it, to whom did you speak about it?”

YL       “ I don’t know but I definitely spoke to John Pinchof about it, he treated me for Chronic Anxiety.”

DS       “John, who?”

YL            “Pinchof”

DS       “And where’s he from?”

YL       “Well, he was at the Maidstone Hospital, as a Psychologist, and I have known him all these years, and I thought that he was a family friend, and he worked at the Somerfield (BMI Somerfield Hospital in Maidstone), and I understand that he has now moved to Bristol.”

DS       “Where did you actually see him?”

YL       “It was at Maidstone Hospital”

DS       “You described to him about being raped in 1980?”

YL       “He knew, he knew, he knew how I felt”

DS       “Can you remember roughly the time you spoke to John Pinshof?”

YL       “Yes, the medical records I have managed to reconstruct, and it was the latter part of 1982.”

DS       “You think that was the first time you spoke about your second rape, as I call it?”

YL       “Yuh”

DS       “Right is there anything else you can add in relation to that rape of 1980? Just that particular incident?”  

YL       “I didn’t do what I did before, I didn’t overdose, and no matter… – and although I got the injunction at that time when we went to court, and the one thing that always sticks in mind when we were in court was, he admitted to a reflex action of vomiting whenever I …when I was giving him affection, but he denied making ‘gurgling sounds’.   That always stuck in my mind.  You see my ex-mother-in-law – she’s dead now, she contacted me before she died ;  she told me after I got married that …she introduced the subject to me of my husband’s sexuality, by asking me if I knew that our Best Man, Mark was ‘gay’? And, I didn’t?  What I did – someone else who was bi-sexual told me that they recognised the sort of conflict in my husband, and I tried to research it, I found Gay Lines and things around, and I rang them to try and understand the violence.  I was somewhat naïve, I thought that just by loving him the violence would make it better, but I didn’t understand, and I spoke to Gay Lines and I spoke a lot to Samaritans.  But I didn’t do what I did after the first rape.  After the first rape, and Angie will tell you this, I took an overdose.”

DS       “Was your husband, gay?”

YL            “Pardon?”

DS       “Was your husband, gay?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “How did you know he was gay?”

YL       “His mother told me, and I knew once she had told me and somebody else had told me I recognised it, and I had spoken to gay lines because I was trying to understand what was triggering the sexuality conflict that he had.  I thought that if I could understand, I could help. But I couldn’t, because I could never… and he always said …….he has this external image, this Mr Perfect image and it was always about he has to look perfect, and he had a dog and when he walked up the road with the dog in front of all our neighbours, it was always on a lead, and people used to remark about how well-behaved the dog was;  what they had never seen was how he – the violence, the extreme violence that went into making that dog behave, and he also used that on me, it was about controlling me, my behaviour, and how I was supposed to behave in public, and he was the person who decided what was right and what was wrong behaviour and it was him that decided on the level of punishment.  He never showed any remorse for what he did.  He considered that what he was doing was right.  I used to ring my mother-in-law because what he did, she was disabled with Multiple Sclerosis and he …, what I hadn’t realised was when I met him I met his parents, he had this very extreme reaction ie he worshipped his father and was extremely rude and insulting and horrible to his mother who was disabled with this Multiple Sclerosis, and had this stair-lift that went up the stairs and things because she could not get herself around, and he was always extremely rude to her, and what I learnt was that whatever negative feelings he had towards her, he projected onto me when he was with me, once we were married.  I mean there was one incident before we got married, and I just put it down to pre-Wedding nerves – now my brother would know about that.

DS       “Is there anything you wish to add at this stage?”

YL       “Not with regards to that, no”

DS       “When he raped you when he tipped you out of bed, had you actually gone to bed?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “What did you have on?  Did you pyjamas, nightshirt – nothing on?”

YL       “I didn’t wear pyjamas.”

DS       “You are shaking your head, you mean you cannot remember?”

YL       “I wouldn’t know what I was wearing?”

DS       “OK”

YL       “I’m pretty sure – in fact I know I wouldn’t have been naked.  I must have been wearing a nightdress.”

DS       “What time of day was it?”

YL       “In the evening”

DS       “Right, before he came into your room, where was he?”

YL            “Another part of the house?”

DS       “In your bed, were you sleeping?”

YL       “I don’t think so.”

DS       “Were the lights on?”  He tipped you out of bed, you were in a confined space, what did he do then?”

YL       “I told you what he did”

DS       “Did he remove your nightshirt?  Did he hold you?  Did he push you?  Did he hit you? What exactly did he do?”

YL       “I don’t think he removed it, it happened very quickly – tipping me out of the bed and the concussion was to render me powerlessness.  Yes?”

DS       “Yes”

YL       “He then did what he wanted.  He liked sex, he wanted sex, his approach to sex was in a way that was de-grading and in-humane.”

DS       “What did he do?”

YL       “There was no touching, no holding.”

DS       “Had he had sex like this before with you?”

YL       “Before we separated, and I don’t like it.  But that was what he wanted”

DS       “I am trying not to distress you, but what I what I have to understand is if you know what rape is?  It is when someone has sexual intercourse with you against your will, when you don’t want to?  Are you saying to me that you didn’t want to have sex with him at that stage?”

YL            (Crying) “No I didn’t, I had separated from him.  I had bought us a house, you know, I had given him a share of everything – it was a 4-bedroomed detached house, I bought it – he didn’t put anything in – he had no money – it was all in Trust Funds – he didn’t touch any of this money.  I gave everything I had ever worked for and my parents had ever worked for. I bought us a house. I put it in joint names, and he took out a Life Policy on me.  He started a job as a Financial Adviser at the same time, he wanted to move to Maidstone when we got married, so we moved to Maidstone and he started a new job as a Financial Adviser, as we got married, a couple of weeks before we got married he took out a Life Policy on me.” 

DS       “Right, while he was raping you did he say anything?”

YL       “I can’t remember him saying anything.”

DS       “Are you saying he didn’t?”

YL       “I don’t remember, I had concussion.”

DS       “Right, is there any more that you can add to the rape that happened in 1980?”

DC       “Are you aware if he had been drinking that night, or was it just down to his nature?”

YL       “The thing is that is wasn’t alcohol, there was never any warning, that is why it was always so frightening.  When we were out in public with his insurance colleagues, he always --- something happened this week - it was amazing what happened this week, because he always persuaded me that everyone saw him as “Upper Class” , “public school”, “perfect”, “pillar of society”, always looked ‘perfect’, he went out wearing white shirts, suits, ties, his car always looked immaculate, his dog always looked immaculate, and he was a real man’s man – he made men laugh, but when you were in public with him, women were very very attracted to him, he was extremely good-looking, and that must have made things worse for him because of his sexual conflicts that women were attracted to him, and he hated them, but when you were in social situations he was always, it wasn’t just at me, he was always doing in subtle ways where he was manipulating people, poking fun at every female.  When he did it to me – I went into the Nat West Bank at Bearsted to get something done by one of them, a manager, and we had a very bizarre conversation because she was a severe victim of domestic violence, and for some reason I said to her, her name is Linda Kirby, I said have you ever come across Nigel Peck?  And, she then told me that she had, and that about a year ago he had terrified her, she was worried about the interest he was showing in her teenage son…”

DC       “We’ll explore that a little bit later, my sergeant said, is there anything in relation to that 1980 rape that you can remember?  Is there anything?”

YL       “If I can just recap? I am not sure about the tape, but the time the tape started was 12.59.  Is there anything else you would like to add before we stop that tape?  We’ll start again in a couple of minutes.  This is Friday 14^th March, we have just got to stop this tape and it is 13.42 on my watch”.

Tape 2 of SI/CZ/119/2003   “Rapes, Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert”

DS       “Well I am DS Hooks, also present is DC Davies, we are interviewing  Yolande Lindridge, the second tape, and the tape reference is 8550003B?

            It is 14^th March 2003 and the time on my watch is 13.50.  Now, Yolande, we have quite a lot of detail on what I class as the second rape, which was May 1980, what I want to do now is what I would class at the first rape, which happened in Portsmouth in April 1973.  What can you tell me about that one?”

YL       “I was .., I had a motor car, which was a Fiat, something was wrong with the calliper and it lost control on the road and it knocked over a bus stop, and so it was off the road, and I was a student at Portsmouth Polytechnic, I was a GKN sponsored under-graduate doing a Business Studies Degree, and I had gone .. I lived down in Southsea .. and I had gone up towards the Fratton area of Portsmouth.  I have not been back to Portsmouth since 1974.  The Fratton area in Portsmouth is on the East/ middle side, and I went to see a friend of mine who owns a garage, and I was talking to him about my car, and while I was talking to him about my car, somebody I know, a social chat with him, this man came in who was ‘fat’, he was, I suppose, late twenties, I would guess, and he knew my friend, so they chatted to each other, then the bloke left, and I remained and finished off what I was talking about and then went to leave his garage – it was the middle of the day – it was like morning – and I went to go back by bus, well this other man was still around or whatever, and he offered me a lift.  Right?  And I thought that the other man was my friend, and that was alright.  Yes?  And I got in the car with him, and he was chatting away, he was chatting away and I was listening, and then he made some excuse to go somewhere else, and this somewhere else had connections with horses, and he.., and I still hadn’t twigged that anything was wrong and he persuaded me to get out the car to go and see these horses, and there was like a 5-bar gate-thing and it was woods, it was isolated – it was woods – you know – he took me away and he took me down this path, this wooded path, right? And he raped me.  All …. I thought he was going to kill me .. I thought I was going to die -  All that seemed to stay in my mind for a long time afterwards was his eyes, and it was like it was happening – I mean when he was doing it, I just remember his eyes.”

DS       “What happened after the rape?”

YL       “He took me back in the car and dropped me in the middle of the streets, and I went straight to ….I have been brought up a strict Catholic, always went to Convents, and my family was very religious.  When I was a student there (Portsmouth) I used to go to Church all the time and there was a very dynamic Catholic priest who I seemed to relate to.  I went to see the Catholic Priest, I went to his house.  I went and knocked on his door and he was in there.  I remember I had to wait and that he had someone else there, and I told him what had happened.”

DS       “??? the Church?

YL       “I can’t remember.”

DS       “What was the priest’s name?”

YL       “He held services … I don’t know the priest’s name, I know how you can find out the priest’s name – I thought we… I remember going to group meetings in his house, so I went there and he made a …I told him what happened and .. he said he was going off to a meeting, and he was saying that that was more important than my rape, and he took me to …there was a Church of England priest and his wife – he took me there – I don’t know where – and they were really nice to me – and I can remember lying down – and …”

A  whistle blows

DC       “Lets carry on – sorry”

YL       “When I was lying down – I became ,,,- I had never experienced it before – I became paralysed – I started to lose all feeling in my body, so that my body became very numb – now what happened after that – I mean I know that I ended up in hospital – I don’t know if I went – I don’t know – I went to the hospital – and I know I had some tablets – and I came out of hospital – and I don’t think I told anybody why I had been in hospital ..”

DC       “When you say that you had tablets, did you tell us that you took all the tablets that you had been given?

YL       “To calm me down”

DC       “Do you know what they were?”

YL            “Probably, valium, and stuff like that”

DS       “Where were you taken, to the hospital”

YL            “Hospital, but I cannot remember the sequence of things, I know I went to a police station, but I don’t think that it was then. I think that the sequence was:- the Catholic Priest, the Church of England Priest, then me getting paralysed and then calling an ambulance/ medical assistance ..”

DS       “Can I just check, what happened with Portsmouth Police, did they investigate?

YL       “I was in the police station, and I remember going into another room, and I remember being police examined – and there was like 2 rooms, and there was a doctor, I saw a doctor..”

DS       “Were you medically examined?  Can you remember?”  They should have a record of this, this was April 1973?

YL       “I don’t know, I can’t remember”

DS       “Well Portsmouth Police should have a record of this, this is April 1973?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “Well I think, rather than prolong this and make you re-live this all again”

YL       “I had a breakdown..”

DS       “Well if that has been reported to the police at that time, we are not going to go into too much detail again, although I am not trying to belittle this report from you, I don’t want you to go into it again, we’ve dealt with one today”

YL       “It’s those details that I wrote and told my husband, that I overdosed straight after that rape, that I had tried to sort it out by myself, and then eventually .. you know… I had a breakdown because I couldn’t cope with the world”.

DC       “Were you in hospital?”

YL       “Yes, I spent 6 weeks in St James Hospital, with a breakdown, and basically that Catholic Priest came in ……”

DS       “What I want to come onto now, was that you said that your ex-husband, Nigel Peck, said that he had beat and raped a woman. Now we want to ? a bit now, what can you tell me about that allegation?

YL       “Right well, after the incident with me at the beginning of May…”

DS       “May 1980?”

YL       “Yes, it went to mental violence or cruelty, that’s what he went into, I didn’t go on medication, but I did take something prior to the Hearing on 5^th August, because my medical records said I did for that Hearing, because I couldn’t face going into that court without medication, but it was after that.. I mean, he was very angry with me because I made a public record of his violence and he had admitted in court to his bizarre behaviour, you know - the reflex action of vomiting. I mean, I have since looked at my former photographs – and I do not have any photographs of him anywhere touching me and ..”

DS       “What did he actually admit to in court?”

YL       “I only remember this because it was so bizarre – he admitted to the reflex action of vomiting when I went to …I am a very affectionate person, I am a very loving person, and I would try to…. and he admitted to ‘vomiting’ but the words he used was that “I did not make any gurgling sounds”. 

DS       “What were the grounds of the injunction, it can’t be forgotten?”

YL       “No, no, no – it was about protecting me from any more violence”

DS       “??? That was to protect you from violence via the court?”

YL       “It must have done to get the injunction”

DS       “So he can’t dispute certain aspects of it, but that was for violent behaviour towards you?”

YL       “Well, I can’t remember that … all I know is that the evidence I have got is that I have got 2 injunctions, and I can’t have got 2 injunctions unless he admitted to violence, could I?  Or the defendants?

DS       “Right, it was for violence against you?”

YL       “Oh yes.”

DS       “Thank you, what happened then?”

YL       “Well I got a non-molestation order, 2 injunctions.”

DS       “????? move on ”

YL       “After we came back from court he was obviously very angry with me denting what had always been his “Mr Perfect” image and that’s when the problems started because the Judge sent him back to the house which we were sharing, and we were both at home, he worked from home as a Financial Adviser and because I was a Lecturer we had long holidays, and this was like August and I was at home all the time too – we were both at home all the time, and he wouldn’t leave, and so I knew where he was and he knew where I was, and we were both in the same house.  But there was also a spate, at that time, of attacks against women and children, and it was on all the media, people around the Maidstone area were worried – females - for themselves and their children and that was going on in the area.  Now I wasn’t taking any particular notice of that because I was wrapped up in my own situation, you know?  I was concerned about me, my safety and my dog that he was being cruel to;  and that was what was pre-occupying me.  I mean we had a judicial separation pending, right, so we couldn’t get divorced because we hadn’t been married that long, but the judge accepted that I was having a judicial separation, and therefore all that we needed to do was to sort that out and my solicitor had explained to me that even though I had bought the house, he had a share in it, and that the best thing was to pay him off and get rid of him, so that he could buy his own house, and that is what I had to do.”

DS       “?? what did he say in relation to the Sandling Rape??”

YL       “He told me, he told me what he had done.”

DS       “What did he say to you?”

YL       “It was my fault, he blamed me for it, and that if I hadn’t done.. if I hadn’t taken him to court, and made a public record of what he had done to me, he wouldn’t have hurt anyone else, and he blamed for it.”

DS       “Right”

YL       “He told me that he – I have since gathered some Witness Statements before Christmas – he told me that he had been down Sandling/Boarley Woods, now I never knew until this Christmas where this rape took place, I was actually shown where it took place this Christmas, but what I did find was – on the radio there was a description of the clothing that the man was wearing, and it was quite distinctive, it was like outer farm-type clothing..”

DS       “Was that at that time?”

YL       “Yes, and it was very distinctive clothing – and his background is farming, and he was working down on Romney Marsh for Phillip Merricks, a former Sheriff of Kent, he was working down there for him on the farm and living in a farm cottage, and I found – it was long outer-clothing, I found the outer-clothing and shot-gun in the boot of his car.  Now, I have got a Witness Statement from somebody that remembers that, a teacher, who also remembers me finding that ….”

DS       “I am going to ask you to keep quiet for just a minute, I need to find out what that alarm is.. This is not recording very well ????   Right, so you said you found the coat and the shot-gun in his boot.   Peeping Tom???????”

YL       “Well she remembered more than I did, the words ‘Peeping Tom’ came from her, I didn’t remember it.  I don’t use the expression, but she remembered the words ‘Peeping Tom’, she remembered more about it than I did.

DC       “Is this the person who was assaulted?”

YL       “No, it is somebody who is a Witness…”

DC       “Right, OK, I thought it was the same..”

YL       “It is somebody who has known me since I was a teenager.”

DC       “She is a Witness to something that has occurred where a description was given over the radio which has led to this assault?”

YL       “No, she never lived in the Maidstone area so she nothing about the radio thing – all she knew was what I had found and what he said (to me) he had done..”

DS       “What is her name?”

YL       “Briony Hadjidaniel, she is married to a Greek Cypriot”                      

DS       “Could you spell that for me? Where does she live?”

YL       “She lives in Wood Green in North London.”

DS       “Do you have a phone number for her?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “I’ll get that off you as well”

YL       “I have a copy of a Witness Statement you can have”

DS       “Right so, you found that in the boot of the car, so what happened then?”

YL       “It was during the day and I knew that he wasn’t at home obviously and there were 2 places that we frequented socially, one was the Yew Tree Pub down at Sandling – plus Laurie Brooks, my solicitor, lived at Sandling.  Nigel liked to frequent – the Upper Classes, you know,  – the Yew Tree – that area, was somewhere he wanted access – and also the Running Horse at that time.  I don’t know if you are familiar with Maidstone, but the Running Horse was a sort of Upper Class restaurant/ come bar at that time.  So those are the 2 places that he went, was the Running Horse and the Yew Tree;  and the other place we went to was the Malta Inn, as it used to be on a Sunday lunch-time where it had an old-fashioned piano bar…”

DS       “How did you know what you found in the boot?”

YL       “I just knew because he was living there in my house with me.”

DS       “You said he was involved in farming, did he have a shot-gun licence?”

YL       “I never knew he had a shot-gun licence.  When I first met him he was living in an isolated cottage at Romney Marsh, and he had a shot-gun next to his bed, and he used to hang out the bedroom window in the morning to shoot rabbits from there, well I never stayed there but that’s what he told me did.”

DS       “So you were aware that he had a shot-gun?”

YL       “He’s admitted to that, he’s admitted in court that he has always had a shot-gun.”

DS       “Lets go back to ? again, I want to confirm exactly what he said to you?”  

YL       “I didn’t confront him..”

DS       “No, I understand that, but what did he say to you?  His exact words, what did he say to you about what he had done?”

YL       “I can’t remember – I know he blamed me for it, he told me that he had done it, and he blamed me for it.”

DS       “Done what?”

YL       “He had attacked and raped this woman down Sandling / Boarley Woods, all I remember is the ? and that I felt so guilty, my mind was focusing on the ? and the guilt.  “if only I hadn’t done this, and taken him to court, he wouldn’t have done that.” I was feeling really worthless anyway, I had been raped by my husband with whom I had trusted with my deepest secret, I had felt worthless after the second rape.  My husband was still abusing me, I felt I had no value in life and here he was saying that not only did I have no value in life but other women were getting hurt because of me, and I accepted what he was telling me;  that it was my fault.”

DS       “Did he explain to you, how did he pick this woman for example, why did he pick her to rape, did he explain?”

YL       “I don’t remember that, all I remember is feeling very guilty and that it was my fault, he made me feel that I was to blame, it was my fault.”

DS       “In this report that you told the police (Bexleyheath) that he was stalking a courting couple, where did that come from?”

YL       “From him”

DS       “I need you to tell him everything that he said”

YL       “I cannot remember the words that he said, I have no idea ‘word-for-word’ what he said.  I know that he stalked the courting couple.”

DS       “You haven’t told me that. That’s what I need you to tell me, what did he say? How do you know that he stalked the Courting Couple?”

YL            “Because they were followed to where they were having sex, or whatever they were doing?”

DS       “I am not saying what they were doing, I am saying what did your husband say to you?”

YL       “All I remember is that this courting couple had been stalked, now whether it came from him or someone else I don’t know, I can’t remember…”

DS       “Word for word?”

YL       “My strongest feelings are that he had told me that he had done it and I felt guilty, and I felt even more worthless than I already felt.”

DS       “So he said he had done it, done what?”

YL       “That he had raped her”

DS       “Who?

YL       “The woman in the Courting Couple”

DS       “How did you get the connection?”

YL            “Because he had told me that he had done it, with his shot-gun?”

DS       “Why couldn’t that be someone else, why that courting couple?”

YL            “Because he had told me that he had done it, it was on the radio and I found the gun.”

DS       “Now did he raise in the conversation, did he just say ‘I done it’?”

YL       “He didn’t just bring things up in conversation, he said things with deliberate effect.”

DS       “How did this come about when he said this to you?”

YL       “I don’t know how it came about.”

DS       “So he started the conversation, he said “I done it”.  You found the shot-gun which he had always had since you married him, and he’s got a coat ..”

YL       “In the boot of his car”

DS       “And you tie that down to the rape when he was stalking her?”

YL       “It was on the radio, and he told me and why should I doubt what he said?”

DS       “What did he say to you, saying I done it doesn’t mean anything?”

YL       “He told me that he had raped the woman down Sandling/Boarley Woods”

DS       “He actually said to you “I raped the woman down Sandling/Boarley Woods”

YL       “He wouldn’t use those words, no, I can’t remember…

DS       “What did he say to you?”

YL       “I can’t remember the words”

DS       “I am just trying to make a connection with what he said to you and this woman being raped, and I can’t see the connection, unless he said something to you?”

YL       “Yes, he did, he told me that he had raped her.”

DS       “Raped who?”

YL       “The woman in the Courting Couple.”

DS       “So he said “I have raped the woman in the Courting Couple?”

YL       “I wouldn’t know what words he used, I mean how many years ago can you remember words?  There are a few words that I can remember, because they are so important to me, I can remember them.  I have never ever had a good memory for exact things.  The thing about ‘vomiting’ was traumatic for me and so I remember it, but I don’t remember word for word what he said to me 22 years ago”

DS       “I am just trying to understand what the connection is, you can remember finding the shot-gun in the boot, you can remember finding the coat, you can remember this lady’s name the witness, and I am still trying to find the connection from what he said to you to link it to the Courting Couple, unless he said something to you?”

YL       “All I know is I have no doubt in my mind that he persuaded me that he had raped the woman in the Courting Couple.”

DS       “How did he convince you?”

YL       “By what he said.”

DS       “What did he say?”

YL       “I cannot remember ‘word-for-word’, I don’t know, but whatever he said to me, he convinced me, and that ‘convincing’ was backed up by what I found.

            I suppose he could have … I suppose another way of looking at it, although it wasn’t how I felt at the time, was that he was just saying that to make me feel bad.  I mean I suppose, but the feeling that I had at that time was that I truly believed that he had done it.  I knew he was capable because of what I had been through.  I believed that he had done it.  Now whether he had actually done it or not…  ??   Yes, I did.

DS       “Was it investigated as far as you are aware?”

YL       “I think so, because he came back and stalked me. But I had always assumed that they had investigated it because he stalked me immediately after I had reported it”

DS       “It was also reported that he threatened to beat and rape you?  He threatened to shoot and rape you if you told anyone?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “What did he say?”

YL       “That’s the bottom line of it”

DS       “What did he say?”

YL       “Well, that he would shoot and rape me if I told anyone what he had done.”

DS       “So when did he say this?”

YL       “When he was telling me what he had done.”

DS       “So he has told you what he has done, and he follows up with that threat?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “What did he say?” 

YL       “He would shoot and rape me?”

DS       “So he said he will shoot and rape you?”

YL       “..If I told anyone what he had done.”

DS       “And you told the police?”

YL       “Not then, no, he was still living with me”

DS       “When did you tell the police?”

YL       “After he was made to leave.”

DS       “When was that?

YL       “5^th September”

DS       “?”

YL       “And he also told me that he would continue hurting people because of me”

DS       “This happened ??  You found the shot-gun.  How soon after did he tell you that he had done it, when this offence was supposed to have happened?”

YL       “I have been trying to remember and I can’t”

DS       “It was obviously pretty current news because it was on the radio, as you told me, so it doesn’t stay on the news for weeks and weeks, it is normally days when they start to report things so…. was it fairly close to when it happened that he told you that he had done it?”

YL       “I can’t remember.  I’ve tried to work it out as best I can ….and the best that I can accurately remember – it’s an educated – it must have been August.  It must have been after the Hearing in August, and I actually put this in writing on October 17^th 2001 and filed it into court (Maidstone).”

DS       “So obviously that’s when you think that this rape occurred?”

YL       “I think, I can’t…”

DS       “And you reported it to the police in September?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “Was a Statement taken from you?”

YL       “No”

DS       “What police station did you report that to?

YL            “Maidstone. You could ring them direct, couldn’t you? I think you need to know what happened after that”

DS       “Yes, I will come to that.”

YL       “There was a 10 year-old girl”.

DS       “And what happened to the 10 year-old girl?”

YL       “She was assaulted”

DS            “Badly?”

YL       “I don’t know.  That was in August”

DS       “Was this after this rape?”

YL       “I have actually gone and researched it in the KM, last month, in the KM archives – the rape isn’t in there – but this one is, and it is the 23^rd August.”

DS       “So was that after the rape?”

YL       “I think that the rape was first and that this was second, I think, I don’t know”  

DS       “Did it surprise you when you found that the rape wasn’t in the paper?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “So you found this 10 year-old girl had been assaulted, you found out about this in 1980 a couple of weeks ago”

YL       “I didn’t go into the KM archives – when my ‘memory blockage’ started coming up after ‘Bermuda’ – it was some months before my ex-husband’s name came into my mind, and then I started asking questions of people who are medical experts and experts in psychopathy;  as to whether psychopaths re-visit their victims and repeat their crimes, and you know that’s what I was thinking of at that time and then in September 2001, I went to Sessions House and I did actually look in 1980 (KM Archives), all I could find was the Veglios Rape which I had remembered, there was a rape at Veglios Motel, do you remember Veglios Motel?  There was a girl in the June that year, from what I read (in the KM Archives ), there was a girl staying there, a man was stalking in the woods, she was raped at revolver point, she was a student.”

DS       “Lets come back to the 10 year-old girl, when did you find out that this 10 year-old girl was assaulted, was that a couple of weeks ago? Or was that from 1980?”

YL       “I knew in 1980”

DS       “So what happened?”

YL       “He was still living there, there was another girl a teenager.”

DS       “Now what about this 10 year-old girl, you told me a 10 year-old girl was assaulted … what was the connection?”

YL            “Because he told me that he did it.  ??   I was crying a lot, particularly at night, I used to speak to the Samaritans.  I contacted them recently to see if they had any records and they said that they didn’t keep records, but I was speaking to them a lot about what was going on, and .. when he persuaded me – I was drinking wine and crying – he then persuaded me that he would stop if I was to do something for him, he would stop hurting other females.  Now I appreciate, he may have been making all of this up, just to make me do what happened next.  All I know is that I really basically believed that he had raped this woman and had attacked this 10 year-old girl.”

DS       “Why do you think that he attacked the 10 year-old girl?”

YL       “Don’t know.”

DC       “You say it was a sexual attack on the 10 year-old girl?”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “???? What did he say to you?  I still cannot find any connection at all with a 10 year-old girl being assaulted and what he said”

YL       “In October 2001, I decided to make a public record of my early life, and my life with my ex-husband.  I did that for 2 reasons:- (1) I had learned that somebody had been spreading disgusting malicious rumours about my personal sexual life amongst the freemasons.  I had no knowledge of ever being married to or dating a freemason, and I had rarely had a relationship – I hadn’t a relationship with anybody in Kent – and whoever was doing this ie spreading malicious lies about my personal sexual life was using it to motivate people to do anti-social things to me.  Now I thought if someone was going behind the scenes and saying disgusting things about me to motivate people to commit crimes against me or hurt me or hurt my family, then I thought I know what my ex-husband doesn’t like – I am going to make a public record of everything and that is going to make him stop.  So I made a public record of what he did and at that time I included the Sandling/Boarley Rape;  that is actually filed in Maidstone Court, October 2001.  I did 8 pages of Word Processing, and things that had been kept hidden and secret for years and years and years, I shared it with a Social Worker, and she said you are really brave, and I said well, if it is a public record, and this is going on, then perhaps it will stop, and it will protect me and my children. But you see I filed the stuffed in the Maidstone Court and all I wanted to do was to stop everything, I didn’t want to be a victim of crime, I didn’t want – I just wanted to stop it – and I thought if this is the way I had worked out – I meant I spent 3 months researching before I was absolutely convinced that this man was back in my life;  and I thought well the best way of handling this, and I did not have a lot of money at the time, was to make a public record of my past and stuff that had been secret/ hidden and buried, and if I do that then perhaps other people won’t be motivated to take money to do something against me – me and my kids – we’re going to be safe.  I did that Monday morning, 17^th October.  I found out in early November that a Judge, quite legitimately had chucked it out, and I said oh no I am not having that, ???  I just wanted it in front of a Judge.  I didn’t want anything to happen to him.  I just wanted it to be stopped, I wanted everything that had been happening to stop.”

DS       “You said you went to court, what was that for?”

YL       “I filed an Application in the Maidstone Court in October 2001”

DS       “What was it for?”

YL       “It was a false claim, it was a Claim for Damages against him – but I did not seriously want damages – all I wanted to do was to stop what was going on and I believed that the best way for stopping what was going on in my life and my children’s life and my business life was to make a public record of my life, his life, what we’d been through etc.  All the stuff, very personal stuff – I made a public record of it.  I mentioned the shot-gun in there and all sorts of things in there.”

DS            “Yolande, we need to stop the tape there and continue this in a second.  The time on my watch is 14.33”

Tape 3 of SI/CZ/119/2003      “Rapes, Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert”

DS       “This is DS Hooks, the time by my watch is 14.38 and this is the 3^rd tape in the interview of Yolande Lindridge.  Also present is DC Davies.  There a couple of things that I want to ask you about first, there are a few other crime reports here that might help you jog your memory from other incidents???”

YL       “Please can I finish off first finish off the stuff of what happened in August 1980 and what happened that left me trying to take my life and him going?”

DS       “Yes, what date was this?”

YL       “1980, because I think it makes sense, I mean, the background.  We’d been to Court, the Sandling/ Boarley incident and the 10 year-old girl”

DS       “Just before we do that we haven’t established the connection between your husband and the 10 year-old?”

YL       “I believed that he had attacked this 10 year-old girl”

DC       “So it’s an assumption by yourself, not he told you?”

YL       “I cannot remember which way, all I know that when that little girl was raped in Ashford, I felt so guilty in 2001.  I cannot remember what was said and what wasn’t said or whatever, all I know that my reaction when that little girl was raped in Ashford was – Oh my God, I had forgotten, because my trauma was still surfacing, I had forgotten that when I go to court other people were attacked, I just felt so guilty, I felt really guilty when that little girl was raped.

            Anyway, back in August 1980, he persuaded me to go and get some tablets / medication, with the understanding that if I was to take this medication, he would stop attacking females.” 

DS       “What medication was that?”

YL       “Its written in my medical records.”

DS       “What is it?”

YL            “Sleeping tablets, or something like that?”  Any basically at that time, it was his birthday, 30^th August, it was his birthday, and in just those few days, he took up with a woman, an alibi, a woman called Anna Preece and he let me know that he had taken up with her – and basically she was a journalist with the Evening Post (KM), writing on women’s features.  He showed me articles that she and this other woman were doing on battered wives etc That’s what they did, a woman’s column and he left these newspapers around so that I could see the sort of stuff was doing, then he encouraged her to ring up and speak to me over the phone and he encouraged her to write and send him a birthday card, and his birthday was on the Saturday – and the nearest Evening Post edition that came out to that was the Friday, and what she printed in there in the woman’s column was a picture of his dog, in celebration of his birthday, a great big article about this Border Collie dog, and that was in celebration of his birthday.  Now what he was honing in on was the anniversary of my mother’s death, 3^rd September.  He knew I nursed her until she died of cancer.   I was very close to my mother, she was like both parents.”

DS       “Sorry, I can’t see the connection, what was the connection between the picture of his dog …”

YL       “So on 29^th August there is a picture of the dog etc etc to celebrate his birthday, Anna sent him a birthday card, then the day before the anniversary of my mother’s death another article is printed by Anna, which is supposed to be in celebration of my death.  It was about a working wife not looking after her husband properly, he let me know, he showed me the article and let me know that it was aimed at me, and that I was not only a failure as a human being, but I was also a failure as a wife, and that he wanted me to overdose.  What you have to remember is that I have had a Judicial separation by this time, the finances in the house were already established, even though it was in joint names, you know who did what and therefore the whole thing was going to proceed, there were 2 Injunctions, right?  But I chose to do what he wanted on 3^rd September and to start to overdose, and he was happy with me then, he was happy.”

DS       “Are you saying that there was a Conspiracy between Anna and your husband to write that article?”

YL       “I am sure she was manipulated.  He was good at manipulating, he manipulated Anna to do both those articles.”

DS       “When he wanted you to overdose, what did he say to you? How did you know he wanted you to overdose?”

YL            “Because he told me to, that’s why I went and got the medication in the first place.”

DS       “Right that article was written, did he tell you that he wanted you to take that overdose?”

YL       “Yes, he blamed me – as far as he was concerned anything he did against any female wasn’t his fault.  It was somebody else’s fault. 

DS       “The difficulty I am having with all this, I can understand what you are telling me, and what you believe, but what I am after is what did he say to you? What did he say, not what you think?”

YL       “He wanted me to die so that he wouldn’t hurt any more females.”

DS       “So what did he say to you?”

YL       “I can’t remember word-for-word, all I know is I started to overdose and when he was happy that I was overdosing, he then told me that he was going to go and spend his first night ever with Anna, his alibi.  And he left me as I was crying, overdosing, he wanted me to die. I couldn’t see a way out”

DS       “So he left you like that, did you go to hospital?”

YL       “Yes, I ended up being stomach-pumped.”

DC       “What did you take?”

YL       “What ever the medication was that I had just got from the doctor?”

DC            “Sleeping tablets, depression tablets?”

YL       “I think that they were sleeping tablets.”

DC            “Valium?”

YL       “Not valium, it’s in my medical records what it is.”

DS       “Have you had any medication from any psychiatric illness?”

YL       “No, I haven’t got a psychiatric illness.”

DS       “Have you ever had any medication for a psychiatric illness?”

YL       “No.”

DC       “Have you ever taken anything like Prozac?”

YL       “No”   I overdosed, I was taken into hospital, and I saw a psychiatrist in the morning, who declared that I did not have a mental health problem – it was my husband (See medical records) who was the problem.  By the time I had got home the police had got rid of him, he’d gone.  He packed in a hurry and he  had left.”

DS       “How long were the police involved?”

YL       “I think that they were involved that night, 3^rd September – because I went to hospital by ambulance.”

DS       “Did you call the police?”

YL       “I can’t remember, all I remember is that I was on the phone crying, and not wanting to die, but not wanting anybody else to be hurt, and feeling really guilty and worthless, as if I had no life.  I was useless, I didn’t want the guilt.  I felt worthless.  I had no value in life.  I mean, I didn’t want to die.  Do you know what it feels like when you believe, you truly believe that other people are being hurt because it’s your fault?  You have been persuaded that other females have been attacked because it is my fault, that there is something inherently wrong in me that makes a man want to attack other females.”

DS       “I think that if go onto to these other crime reports that will jog other things to come out.”

YL       “On 5^th September when I read about these attacks on other young females, I rang the police, now I think that they did something because they then came back and stalked me.  I have a Witness Statement from a manager at City & Guilds.”

DS       “Can I just go back, you rang on 5^th September to tell about these other young girls?”

YL       “I didn’t tell them about the 10 year-old girl, I told them about the Sandling/ Boarley Woods rape.  There was no evidence about the 10 year-old.”

DS       “But that was investigated you told me (?), we looked at the investigation, someone else reported it to the police it was investigated wasn’t it?”

YL       “The Sandling/ Boarley Woods thing?”

DS       “Yes”

YL       “Well nobody came to see me, I just reported it over the phone. Because he started stalking me I assumed that they had interviewed him and that he had done what he said he would do.”

DS       “That’s not a problem, we can check up on all your police records, someone’s been raped, a courting couple, possibly a shot-gun’s been involved, the police would have investigated it.  I am quite convinced of that, we can take a look at that.  If I can just carry on with this next one?  Its about 14^th February 2000 at the Somerfield Hospital   (CZ/8533/01).  17 months after the operation you are still badly affected by it, and you need to have an HIV test as a result of an Infection.  What was all that about?”  

YL       “I work with medical experts and they told me for a ‘needle stick injury’ I should have had those tests, the results should have been given to me, the tests should have been done, must have been done, and I was entitled to have those test results.”

DS       “Can I just confirm that one of my colleagues DC Scriven was involved in this inquiry, did the Medical Council / the Medical Investigating Body take this up and investigate it? 

YL       “Which medical body?”

DS       “I don’t know, was it investigated by a medical professional?”

YL       “I don’t know, the fact that I had a ‘needle stick injury’?

DS       “No, that you were alleging that something happened?”

YL       “Oh, there is no doubt that it happened, it is on my medical records”

DS       “Was it under investigation?”

YL       “No, because they won’t do anything.”

DS       “Was there an investigation into it?”

YL       “What sort of investigation do you mean?”

DS       “I want to turn this around, weren’t you taken to court for harassment against doctors?”

YL       “No.”

DS       “You have not been to court?”

YL       “No.”  Basically, I didn’t pay my medical bill in this hospital, and it cost me more than the medical bill to put right what had gone wrong, and I have a Medical Expert Report from an expert doctor from the World Health Organisation that there were 3 to 4 opportunities in there which could have had serious… I could have lost my life, or whatever, and it was a very bad situation.  What I couldn’t get …this BMI Hospital took me to Court for the bill, and I was counter-claiming for my medical expenses, loss of profits etc and all the stuff that went on in it.  So, ???, anyway on the anniversary of the operation I had post-traumatic stress flashbacks, and it was recommended that what was I doing ie going to a Health Farm, taking time off work, was not enough and I should go to Bermuda  etc.  In the middle of all that, when I was feeling really unwell from this operation a year later, a Judge back-dated an order – there were 3 different dates on it – and only gave me 5 days to put a defence in, and I wasn’t well enough because of the operation to do this in 5 days, and what happened then was the Medical Certificate – the Court (Maidstone) would not accept the Medical Certificate in the Medical Accident case, but it would accept it in 2 other more minor cases.  And what happened in that intervening time, the Bermuda thing happened, and I came back, and I started…. Well, anyway ???? it was suggested that I see a Trauma Expert, although Dr Godsmark had got me an appointment at the Maidstone Hospital, and I had had an assessment interview, for some reason I could never get a proper appointment or treatment out of them, and that only left one option but to see this Dr Turnbull privately, now on 10^th May 2001, Dr Turnbull, this Trauma Expert, wrote to the Bearsted Medical Practice and wrongly gave evidence of the wrong rape, he was talking about the Trauma of the incident in Bermuda, and my ex-husband – I have got evidence that I did not start talking about him until 15^th July 2001, but in this letter that Dr Turnbull wrote on 10^th May 2001, he referred to the wrong rape, he referred to the rape at the hands of my ex-husband – that took me ten years to get over – well how did he know that?”               

DS       “Why do you think ????”

YL       “I don’t know, I think that I was telling him about the first rape, and I think by mistake, for whatever reason, and I don’t know how he knew about it, he wrote about the second rape, and I’ll tell you why I think he did it, I think it was something to do with 28, but my mistake he put the wrong rape down.  Now I didn’t pick that up for quite a long time because all this intimidation started at my home immediately after that, and it was a long, long time after that I actually read this letter or got a copy of it, because it went on my GP Medical Records.”

DC       “Where do you think he’s got it wrong?  You have said all throughout these last 3 interviews that you have suffered a hell of a lot in your life, you have gone through a hell of a lot problems, a hell of a lot of trauma.  Is it possible that when you spoke to Dr Turnbull that you gave all this information, without realising it?  You say yourself that you have had mind blockages, you have had trauma,  why do you think he has made a mistake?  And he is absolutely genuine and he is taking down exactly what you told him.”

YL       “I did not tell him anything about my first husband”

DS       “How can you possibly know that?  What motivation does he have to do something like that”

DC       “What would you gain out of it?      

YL       “You will have to ask him, I don’t know.  All I know is that I run a Charity called ‘Patient Support, and run the most popular medical accident web-site in the world, and I know about what happens in medical accidents right across the country, and I know that my medical records seemed to have been freely moved around Kent ever since I have had my medical accident.”

DS            “What’s been moved around Kent, your Medical Records?”

YL       “I wasn’t able to access them, but other people were able to access them without my permission, and I have got the evidence”

DS       “It says in this Crime Report as well ???????? about perverting the course of justice. What was all that about?”

YL       “In relation to this Medical Accident?”

DS       “In relation to this on-going ABH in this medical-accident?”

YL       “Well, the first Hearing was due to be on 24^th July 2001, I was told I had to be ready for a full Hearing, with Expert Reports etc, and I was trying to do that – in the meantime I was getting all this stuff at home– all these problems at home, all this intimidation at home and it going on at work too.”

DS       “What intimidation was that?”

YL       “Well, I had – I’ve got a Crime Report from a Security Firm found evidence that my dogs were being poisoned, there were shot-guns being fired around my boundary, and it wasn’t fired from the Woods, it was fired from the sheep field.  So, I can give you a copy of that crime report, all of that started very soon after I had seen Dr Turnbull.  I went to see him and I had 2 Trauma assessments;  he has always refused to give me copies of those trauma assessments or de-brief me on the findings, and all I know that all this stuff with dog poisoning happened within days of that, and I understand that is probably a coincidence, but that is what actually happened – and so despite the intimidation, I still knew that the medical evidence together for the first Hearing on 24^th July 2001.  Under the Access to Health Records Act you are entitled to your medical records within 40 days of asking.  Now at that stage, I had been asking for nearly a year ie my own surgery for the medical records.  First of all I went and asked them for all my medical records (Sept 2000), because I thought whilst I am doing this I might as well get the whole lot.  First of all they lied to me and told me that they did not have any medical records prior to 1990, but what the Practice Manager did, she photocopied it eventually, after nearly a year of asking – she photocopied the Medical Records after 1990 and included in there was something from 1984/5 which showed me that they were lying and they actually had these earlier records.  In July I had this Court Hearing coming up and I still wanted to get hold of my early medical records, I wanted to go back to the time when I was married to my ex-husband because his name had come back into my head in the middle of July.  So I asked, I sent them a letter, I said “Can I go back and reflect????

            Anyway this Hearing was due on the 24^th ;  I received a letter from the Practice Manager letting me know that my medical records, had without my consent, gone to a firm of solicitors – and it was my pre-1990 medical records that had gone, because I had the rest.  So I was told that my pre-1990 medical records had gone to a firm of solicitors, now I hadn’t authorised it.  I tried to find out why, I got to the Hearing on 24^th July 2001, a member of the press came with me, and my legal adviser came with me.  Now at that Hearing, my legal adviser was not allowed in, the press were not allowed in.  I went into the Hearing.”

DS       “Your legal adviser was not allowed in?”

YL       “No. So I went into this first Hearing on 24^th July 2001, my legal adviser and a member of the press ie the Maidstone News / Craig Tucker were outside.  I was told that I had to be alone in there with the BMI Barrister and Judge Burgess was the Judge.  I was still asking, one of my applications was for access to my medical records and to know about the results of these other things (HIV).  And, in that Hearing – I mean prior to the Hearing I saw my former solicitor going to have a meeting with this Judge prior to the Hearing.  In the Hearing I actually said to the Judge, I said “Who”, - I showed her this letter – “Who has my Practice illegally given my Medical Records to because they won’t tell me?  And she smiled at me and she said “Furley Page” and then she said “If we want you to lose this case, you are going to lose it”.

            Now there is no tape recording of that Hearing, its gone.”

DS       “When was that?”

YL       “July 2001, 24^th July 2001”

DC       “Crown Court or …..

YL            “Maidstone County Court;  the tape’s gone and out of that came a Judgement against me saying that I was not allowed to have these medical records.”

DS       “Who was the Judge?”

YL       “Judge Burgess.”

DS       “I am starting to get the picture here, do you think that there is a conspiracy here?”

YL       “Its typical of medical accidents, like Rodney Ledward / Shipman …”

DC            “Because of this accident you have reported when you were having your operation since everything to do with the Ledward…. Because of this that you’ve found ….

YL       “I have actually formed the most popular medical accident web-site in the world, and I have formed a Charity, and I am known as the biggest campaigner against injustice in Kent.”

DC            “Everybody you have had dealings with in relation to your accident is aware of what you do for a living, and the web-site.”

YL       “??? And I am a strong campaigner against injustice and I know what happened to me is normal in medical accidents, I know that Shipman could only have carried on for 22 years because of the same sort of 2 lodges.”

DC       “So what you are saying is, this is normal of the medical profession?”

YL       “Oh, yes”

DC       “As far as you are concerned, and unfortunately you are now a victim of that yourself ?

YL       “I am a normal victim, now I have been in and out of court over the last 2-3 years and I have been managing – if anyone has been committing any sort of crimes against me – any dodgy stuff – I have been throwing them into court.  Now in a normal court case you can get justice, if you happen to have a jury you can get justice, but if you are in a civil court and you are not allowed a Witness with you, and they are not taping – they do what they want.  In my medical accident case, I have been treated in a totally different way – now if I go before Judge Millward, for example, in an ordinary case, I can get justice.  I can argue my case, and put forward my evidence and I can get justice, but when it comes to a medical accident, it’s quite different.  What happened was, the day after that Hearing – I got a recorded delivery letter from the Practice Manager of the Bearsted Medical Practice, who actually sent me my records back; they had been to Furley Page, the Judge told me in the Hearing, the Judge knew where my Medical Records had gone even though I hadn’t signed for them, and by the time these Pre-1990 medical records had come back, guess what they had edited out, the stuff about my ex-husband – the John Pinchof Medical Records?”

DC            “Yolande, you know about this business, who can we go to prove this conspiracy?”

YL       “I have got the evidence, I’ve got the….”

DC       “Is there some Governing Body that we can speak to that would say that this doctor has been out of order or this practice manager, or about your medical records?  You know, things that we can find out for ourselves.  There has got to be somebody who can investigate this?”

DS       “Can we just ask, do you recognise that fax from yourself to DS Sue Austin?     It is dated 3^rd October 2001.  It’s obviously got your name on it.”

YL       “Yes that is my fax number, so it must be.”

DS       “Its ????  t that we have a conspiracy  “I take criminal negligence, GBH, abduction, attempted rape, intimidation, harassment, dog poisoning  ??? extremely seriously, so I have taken my own steps to assist you in this matter.

            There has been a ‘masonic hit’ on me, my children and my business for 8 years;  I have become an expert in masonicism and that it is run for the benefit of the Upper Classes, they employ the working classes to cover-up their crimes.  Why are you trying to say that this is all to do with the masons?”

YL       “My charity, Patient Support, has got a Company Secretary who is a decent freemason and he has also suffered corruption at the Maidstone Courts, and he knows lots of ordinary decent freemasons who have.  All you have to do is to have a good business idea, a good business opportunity and someone wants that market and someone has a ‘go’ at you.  Now, Malcolm is a decent freemason – its quite commonly known apparently that there are 2 Lodges, and what you have got to remember in Kent, there are 18,000 male freemasons and 8,000 female – and you must know that because there is a big one up at Kent Police Headquarters for women.  The vast majority of these people are decent people, there is nothing wrong with them, nothing wrong with them, decent people, good business practices and good business values, there is a problem with a minority now my understanding of decent freemasons is that they know that they have a serious problem with ‘organised crime’ that focuses on 2 Lodges in Maidstone.  And that these 2 Lodges would be the same sort of Lodges, for example, that would have covered up for Shipman up in the Manchester area.  These 2 Lodges…”

DS       “How did they cover-up ???”

YL       “Well, if I just go back to Maidstone – there are these 2 lodges in Maidstone;  it’s the Medical Masonic lodge and the Legal Masonic Lodge, right?

DS       “We’re going to have to stop you there.”

YL       “Dr Rodney Ledward is being covered up by them 2.”

DS       “???? The whole sort of Masonic set up.  Why do you say that there has been a Masonic ‘hit’ on you and your children over the last 8 years?”

YL            “Because back in…..  I went self-employed in 1987 to work around one of my kids needs, one of them was quite ill, so I gave up my secure job as a Senior Lecturer where I had been for 11 years, and I was the youngest Senior Lecturer in the place, I was a very good teacher, and I went self-employed in 1987 and this was the first time that I was going to work in Kent, from September 1987, I had always worked outside of Kent and I researched the Business Market before I worked here and I knew all about the new small business start-up programme, and I was very quickly running the largest self-employment project in the UK, now that started in 1987 and it went onto 1993, in that period of time about 2,000 business passed through my hands….”

DS       “Get to the point, why do you think that there is a ‘hit’ on you and your children?”

YL       “In 1993, I established as a fact that my contract was terminated in 1993 for this project I was doing, and I had also been helping Managing Directors of Growing Businesses to grow their business, and my contract was terminated.

            Before it was terminated I established that there was a man, who I knew to be a freemason, who had been saying things about me to other people, and I was aware what the implications of this were – and I hadn’t met him and he had been appointed as my contract manager.  I was aware that it wasn’t only me that he was against, he seemed to have a problem with women, and there were other women, he picked on his own employees.  I knew of other women in Kent who were suffering at his hands, but I was aware from one of my clients who tipped me off what this bloke was doing.  And I felt I had no choice ….”

DS       “What was he doing?”

YL       “Trying to shut my business down.”

DS       “Why?  Because he is a mason?  You still haven’t answered my question?  You have said in your fax that there has been a Masonic ‘hit’ on me and my children for 8 years”

YL       “Yes”

DS       “Why?” 

YL       “There was a guy who I worked with for many years, called Chris Ripley, and Chris Ripley came from Rochester.  Have you heard of him?

            He used to work with me as a Lecturer then he was a Educational Consultant based in Rochester and he contacted me at the time – I didn’t know anything about freemasons at all – all I knew was that my uncle was one, my mother wished that my father had been one – I didn’t know anything about it.  All I know is that I was worried that for some reason I established as fact that someone in the freemasons did not like me.  I didn’t know why, I didn’t know who it was – but I did establish that there was somebody in the freemason movement who didn’t like me, and didn’t like me so much that they wanted my business shut down.  So what I did I went to my MP who was a freemason, Andrew Rowe, I expressed my concerns, a complaint was made and this man actually ended up being moved sideways.”

DS       “I will read from the letter.  There has been a Masonic ‘hit on me, my children and my business for 8 years.  Now you have explained to me that there is someone who is a freemason who doesn’t like you and you don’t know why?

            That ?????  a hit on you by a Masonic lodge?

YL       “No, no.  I would say that it is by an individual.  I have been aware that someone was motivated, I didn’t know who it was, I didn’t have a clue as to who it was.”

DS       “So there hasn’t been a Masonic hit and your children for the last 8 years?

YL       “Yes. 2 Managing Directors of 2 companies have filed statements in the Maidstone County Court to the effect that they believe, and one is a freemason, that there has been a Masonic hit on me.”

DS       “Why, why on you?”

YL       “I think it is my ex-husband.  I now know that we move in the same business circles since 1987, and I have got no doubt that if anybody had mentioned his name to me, I would have been surprised that he was still in the area, I would have thought that he would have had to move right out of the area because of what I knew about him.  I would have told people…”

DC       “When is the last time you saw your husband? Ex-husband, sorry”

YL       “Other than the fact he was stalking me?”

DC       “When was the last time you had any conversation or talked with him.”

            Are you aware of what relationships he is in?”

YL       “He’s in Appledore now, he briefly married Anna Preece.”

DC       “He never came out.”

YL       “No, he could never do that because of his public image and also he had to have, due to the nature of the Trust Funds he has, he had to have a male heir.  So he would have to continue in some relationship until he produced a son.”

DC       “So you have had no dealings with him since 1982, but you think that all this is down to him?  All the conspiracy, the intimidation”

YL       “I am not the only one who thinks that.”

DS            “Intimidation, dog poisoning, there is a judge in court with medical records, apparently you were not allowed to have a legal representative in court, a tape has gone missing, their have been medical records doctored or changed.  The freemasons have put a ‘hit’ on you. Are these all connected?”

YL       “Let me tell you – in any medical accident case, Dr Rodney Ledward or whatever, it is normal for medical records to be lost, x-rays have even been changed.  I support medical accident patients right across the country, I have got the most popular medical accident site in the world.  It is normal practice that medical records get edited, lost or altered.”

DS            “???????????  If that’s your belief, that’s fine.  What I am going to say is that we have talked about all these things, about the court, about the medical records, about intimidation, about freemasons doing a hit on you and your family, we talked about the crime report when the wing mirror was damaged on your car, we talked about a sex offence in Bermuda – are these all connected? Is that what you are saying to me? Or are you just very unlucky?”

YL            “Unlucky, no.”

DS       “Are they connected?”

DC       “If we are going to investigate this we need to know what you think?”

YL       “Lets put it this way, the most common – as I understand it – freemasons are  expressing concern about what is happening to me and my family in the Tovil Masonic Hall as early as April 2001.”

DS       “How do you know that?”

YL            “Because freemasons have told me.”

DS       “What did they say to you?”

YL       “They were hearing that things were happening to me, they didn’t know what was going on.  Now all I know is that it has been commonly asked – the concern amongst decent freemasons right across Kent is – the question they are asking is – “How would you like it if it happened to your wife?”

            Freemasons are asking other people who cannot understand what is going on.”

DS       “Which freemasons?”

DC       “Don’t take this the wrong way, but are you that important for everybody to be talking about you?”

YL            “What’s been happening to me – you haven’t got a clue as to what’s been happening to me and my children.  Its disgusting.”

DS       “That’s what we are trying to find out.”

DC       “3 hour tapes.”

YL       “I can give you Witness Statements that have been filed into court by 2 Managing Directors, and I can give you a Witness Statement from a Judge at the Maidstone Court who actually stated her concerns about my personal safety, organised crime, burglaries etc.  Now a Judge and 2 Managing Directors have made a public record at court that they are in no doubt, and one of them is a freemason, that I am the target of a Masonic attack.”

DC       “Can we have a copy of that?”

YL       “You can have a copy of all of that.”

DC       “We’ve got a lot of documentation from you with DS Hooks collating everything, what is there extra that we need?”

DS       “Lets make this quite clear, there is documentation – there are 2 Statements from Managing Directors, and a High Court Judge.”

YL       “Not a High Court Judge, a district judge.  I can fax the Statements over.  The Statement is a very powerful statement.” 

DS       “You mentioned a District Judge – what did the District Judge say?”

YL       “The District Judge, this was in the Hearing against BMI, looked at the BMI barrister and expressed concerns for my personal safety, the car crash last February and that burglaries.”

DS            “Personal safety.”

YL       “The Managing Directors have filed at least 2 Statements into Court saying that I am a victim of freemason crime.”

DS       “Who are the Managing Directors?”

YL            “Malcolm Denyer and the Managing Director of PES Ltd in Maidstone.”

DS            “Malcolm Denyer, who is he? 

YL       “He is a member of Rochester Castle Lodge”

DS       “So he says you are a victim of a Masonic hit”

YL       “He is too.”

DS       “Who is the other one?”

YL       “David Stanley”

DS       “Is he in the same organisation?”

YL       “No, he is Managing Director of his own company in Maidstone.”

DS       “Can you give me his phone number?”

YL       “Yes”

DS            “Getting back to this District Judge, what did he actually say?”

YL       “There is also a policeman who told me that I was a victim of organised crime.  That was the day after my car crash last year – on 21^st February last year, it was a very bizarre thing the car crash – my car was written off with me in it, Rochester Police went and broke down the door of my office to search for me.

            Anyway, the following day I saw this PC Salt, and he told me that there had been reports filed with the National Intelligence Unit that I was a victim of organised crime.  Now I haven’t filed them, the police have filed them.  I am a victim of organised crime involving members of the Province of East Kent masons.  Now Malcolm Denyer actually gave me a year ago the Province of East Kent handbook, which I still have, to help me identify the people in the ring.  It is these 2 Lodges, the medical and legal lodges.”

DS       “The time is 15.22 and I’m going to stop the tape.”